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Testosterone Cypionate Chart
« on: August 05, 2013, 10:44:33 pm »
I came across a great chart of testosterone cypionate.  You have to go to the testosterone enanthate section actually, but they explain that the chart is virtually identical for cypionated.

http://www.anabolicsteroidcalculator.com/resources/articles/ebooks/testosterone_ads/chapter14.pdf

There are other charts for all the other common esters as well.  There's something for virtually any Testosterone Geek to enjoy...
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2013, 11:02:22 am »
I came across a great chart of testosterone cypionate.  You have to go to the testosterone enanthate section actually, but they explain that the chart is virtually identical for cypionated.

http://www.anabolicsteroidcalculator.com/resources/articles/ebooks/testosterone_ads/chapter14.pdf

There are other charts for all the other common esters as well.  There's something for virtually any Testosterone Geek to enjoy...

Thanks for this.  I briefly looked it over and the one thing I noticed from his chart if I'm not mistaken is that peak serum level actually happens within about 24 hours of injection and then tapers off in a typical half-life curve.  We have been tossing around that our peak is about 2 to 3 days after injection.  Also, with my quick and crude estimations of his chart it seems his data demonstrates a half-life of 8 or 9 days.  I have been using 7 in my spreadsheets.

Interesting stuff.
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Re: Testosterone Cypionate Chart
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2013, 01:45:33 pm »
I came across a great chart of testosterone cypionate.  You have to go to the testosterone enanthate section actually, but they explain that the chart is virtually identical for cypionated.

http://www.anabolicsteroidcalculator.com/resources/articles/ebooks/testosterone_ads/chapter14.pdf

There are other charts for all the other common esters as well.  There's something for virtually any Testosterone Geek to enjoy...

Thanks for this.  I briefly looked it over and the one thing I noticed from his chart if I'm not mistaken is that peak serum level actually happens within about 24 hours of injection and then tapers off in a typical half-life curve.  We have been tossing around that our peak is about 2 to 3 days after injection.  Also, with my quick and crude estimations of his chart it seems his data demonstrates a half-life of 8 or 9 days.  I have been using 7 in my spreadsheets.

Interesting stuff.

Good point.  I've got to ask about that one!
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements. Yes, low T and E.D. are usually medical conditions.  There are potential risk with HRT:  http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_risks.aspx.
My Health History: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/My_Health_Story.aspx.
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Re: Testosterone Cypionate Chart
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2013, 09:47:32 am »
I came across a great chart of testosterone cypionate.  You have to go to the testosterone enanthate section actually, but they explain that the chart is virtually identical for cypionated.

http://www.anabolicsteroidcalculator.com/resources/articles/ebooks/testosterone_ads/chapter14.pdf

There are other charts for all the other common esters as well.  There's something for virtually any Testosterone Geek to enjoy...

Thanks for this.  I briefly looked it over and the one thing I noticed from his chart if I'm not mistaken is that peak serum level actually happens within about 24 hours of injection and then tapers off in a typical half-life curve.  We have been tossing around that our peak is about 2 to 3 days after injection.  Also, with my quick and crude estimations of his chart it seems his data demonstrates a half-life of 8 or 9 days.  I have been using 7 in my spreadsheets.

Interesting stuff.

Good point.  I've got to ask about that one!

Hey Peak,

Just bringing this back to the front board.  After some more thought, and assuming that these charts are indeed accurate, I'm thinking the the best time to take the Arimidex is about 24 hours after T injection.

Anymore thoughts on this?
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Re: Testosterone Cypionate Chart
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2013, 10:43:27 am »

Hey Peak,

Just bringing this back to the front board.  After some more thought, and assuming that these charts are indeed accurate, I'm thinking the the best time to take the Arimidex is about 24 hours after T injection.

Anymore thoughts on this?

I am dying to ask my clinic on this.  They are absolutely insistent that it is on about the third day.  I want to do some research and will post it here.  But, in the meantime, I am not quite sure what to think...

Let me know if you find anything out.

By the way, the latest advice I was given is just take it every three days and it doesn't really matter than much when.  Just telling you what I'm hearing...
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements. Yes, low T and E.D. are usually medical conditions.  There are potential risk with HRT:  http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_risks.aspx.
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Re: Testosterone Cypionate Chart
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2013, 09:22:17 pm »
Figure 14.8 gives a good view of the peak values over time.   I think the day2-3 peak values are reasonable but it really starts dropping on day 4.

The section on testosterone ester combinations is also very interesting
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 - Proved IM injections were cleared too quickly.   Low SHBG is often a clearance issue!
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2013, 09:42:10 pm »
Figure 14.7 is very very interesting.

It shows a maximum peak value is reached for weekly injections after 3 weeks which is almost 70% higher than the initial (inj #1) value.   Compared to maybe a 10-15% increase over inj1 for biweekly injections.

Where the trough of the weekly injections is the peak of the biweekly injections.

 I still think injection volume and concentration would influence this.  It would be nice if they provided that info also.

Figure 14.10 shows some data for 100mg injections and it shows a trough of 10nmol/l ~ 300 ng/dl and a peak of 32nmol/l ~900ng/dl.  So if the above trend holds true for this you would expect weekly 100 mg injections to provide a 24 hr peak level somewhere around 50nmol/l ~ 1400ng/dl and a trough of 32nmol/l.

Since they injected 139mg to get to 100mg and I don't think this is accounted for in our injections these values are probably 30% too high.   So i am expecting my next test results to be around a 600 trough and 1000 peak values even though my trough on biweekly injections was 250ish.  The trough being lower than the value in the study could be related to a .5 ml injection volume and if true i would expect a higher than estimated peak value and lower trough than what I projected above.  Assuming they injected 1 ml in the study.  Am I over thinking this ;D
« Last Edit: August 08, 2013, 10:23:51 pm by Sam »
7/6/12   - T Levels Total 154/ Free 4.5; PSA 1.7
Life Sucked!  Focused on losing weight and lifestyle changes.
1/31/13  - 292/5.4; C 5.0; SHBG 17.8
3/25/13  - 329/7.4; C 11.8, E2 23; PSA <0.5
Started TRT
7/5/13 - T Cyp - 100mg biweekly IM
7/26/13 Midpt - 228/5.4 - move to 100mg/wk
8/29/13 - Trough - 219/39.5; Cort 11.3
8/30/13 - Peak - >1500/>52; E2 101; PSA 1.8
 - Proved IM injections were cleared too quickly.   Low SHBG is often a clearance issue!
- Move to subQ 30mg EOD solved all issues except fatigue.  T levels consistently 500-600 E2 20-40
Dec-13 - Switched to Clomid 50mg 2x/wk.  finally settled on 12.5mg EOD
Jan-14 - Stopped Clomid - Clomid Sucks!
Went back 30mg EOD SubQ + Berberine 500mg 2X/day which finally cured fatigue issues.    SHBG in the 20-22 range and as expected as SHBG has increased T clearance has decreased.  T levels are now consistently in the 700-900 range with E2 in the 20-30 range.  BF 7-10%  Family Life Great, Work Great!  Mind/Body Great!!  You can do it to!

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Re: Testosterone Cypionate Chart
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2013, 10:56:52 pm »
Figure 14.7 is very very interesting.


Yes.  That one is VERY interesting.  It actually makes sense though, because you're getting twice the raw testosterone in any rolling two week period of course, but there is a time offset so that's why you get the 70%...


If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements. Yes, low T and E.D. are usually medical conditions.  There are potential risk with HRT:  http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_risks.aspx.
My Health History: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/My_Health_Story.aspx.
And check out my new Peak Testosterone Program on the right side of my home page: http://www.peaktestosterone.com.